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Last week I spoke at the equestrian show outside of Philadelphia. The attendees sell both English and Western equipment for the professional and recreational horseback rider, often referred to as tack stores. This is a group of very sophisticated retailers and I always enjoyed returning to this industry.

My seminars were both breakfast meetings from 7:30 AM to 9 AM. Because of that schedule, I had plenty of time after my presentations to hang around to answer questions and just talk to retailers. I had one very interesting husband and wife team who had been long time subscribers to my newsletter. This probably made them feel comfortable enough to share an interesting dilemma. They did ask to remain anonymous but thought the situation would be the type that my readers might like to respond to. They were also curious about your reaction and wondered if anyone else had ever experienced what they were going through. Here it is:

They've had an employee, whom I will refer to as Amy, who has worked for them for 15 years. They described her as "perfect in almost every way". Three years ago, they had an opportunity to buy a second store, an existing business that was once a leader in the field. It was now was a declining business only because the owner who was dying of cancer. That owner made them an unbelievable deal that they just couldn't pass up. However they realized the business needed some tender loving care and nurturing.

Amy was a single mom and was always looking for any opportunity to work extra on new projects at home because she needed the money. The owners felt that Amy was more than capable of managing this store and would appreciate the extra income it would bring. Amy was delighted with the challenge and of course the money and proceeded to do nothing short of a sensational job. The store looked better than when the owners were running it. The employees' morale was higher than ever before yet the payroll costs were down a couple of percent. The remarkable thing about it was that store's sales for the 2+ years that Amy was the manager averaged over an 18% increase.

If you think that I'm going to tell you that Amy was caught stealing, you're wrong. On the contrary, shrinkage actually improved. They jokingly said the only problem was Amy was actually a better manager than they were. Amy made them a lot of money and they couldn't do enough for her.

So what could be wrong with this situation? You are probably thinking that Amy was planning to open up her own business and compete with them. Wrong! That is the last thing she would ever want to do. She loved the arrangement. So what could be wrong? The owners, which I will refer to as Bob and Sue, would constantly try to show their appreciation for what Amy had done by buying her and her children gifts. They even put an extra $50 or $100 bill in her paycheck at least once a month.

Amy's husband had left her without much money and never gave any money to support the children. Yes, the courts look at him as a deadbeat dad, but he was nowhere to be found and had no contact with the children for years. It was as if he died without life insurance. So you would think that Amy would really appreciate all the little things Bob and Sue would do for her. And she did appreciate it but she never or rarely ever demonstrated that appreciation. In short, she hardly ever said thank you and never wrote any kind of thank you note. It was as if she just expected it or didn't care about the effort Bob and Sue would make. As they described it, it was weird.

Then to make matters worse, Bob and Sue wanted Amy to be aware of everything that was going on in the store and shared all of the plans they had. But Amy was always nice and polite about it. She never had much to contribute other than the cursory, "nice job" or "that's good".

I know this sounds strange but it all came to a head in January. In December, Amy's store did exceptionally well-- not only saleswise but it was profitable as well. On top of a regular Christmas bonus, in late January, Bob and Sue gave Amy an envelope that had five $100 bills in it with a note that said GREAT JOB! Sue NEVER said a word about it. But she continued to work as if nothing ever happened.

Then they asked Amy her opinion on an article Sue had written in the newsletter. She never responded at all. The story was about Amy and her family and how she was a remarkable woman and what she meant to the business. After a week, they asked her what she thought of the article and she told them that she thought it was very nice. But no thank you.

These storeowners are sadly and deeply hurt but just don't know what to say or do. They don't want to lose a great employee but they just want a little recognition.

Any suggestions? Please let us know. Just click here to send an email with your ideas to me. I will share my opinion next week as well.  Thanks and I look forward to hearing from you!

Comments

What Bob and Sue are doing for Amy is admirable. However some folks never learned how to say Thank You. Also if Bob and Sue are now doing this "expecting" recognition, they are doing it for the wrong reason. Giving, or doing, should never be tied to "Thank Yous" it should always be done just because. As long as Amy is an exceptional employee she should be rewarded as such. Without strings attatched.
Posted @ Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:03 PM by Russ Seaver
Have the owners considered a fear factor? It sounds as though this single mom may have a great deal of responsibility, and be absolutely terrified to upset the status quo. Also, if they’re not paying her but rather “gifting” her, she may not know what to do regarding taxable income declaration, and so not want to acknowledge what she’s received. Indeed she may just be uninformed about polite protocol, but if there is no other complaint, why are they worried?  
 
 
 
If they want recognition, they should simply ask for it. Amy should not be expected to be a mind-reader. They might be able to “hint” by helping her coach her children on the polite way to thank someone for gifts received—or their helping the kids themselves, and Amy might catch on. Otherwise, I say a blessing is a blessing, and they should be incredibly grateful that she shows her gratitude through loyalty, hard work, and her managerial expertise! 
 
Posted @ Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:24 PM by Karen Romito
Do you think Amy's in the witness protection program? Seriously -- sadly, it seems that many people are never tought that manners and thank you's are important ingredients of being successful too. Hard work and smarts are necessary but a polite response for kindness shown is also appropriate. Although we don't know Amy's circumstances or the context of her non-committal responses we can assume that she is able to successfully interact with her customers. Perhaps her personal life has left her unable to trust that people want to be kind and helpful. I think it is important for Bob and Sue to remain supportive and try to not personalize a less than expected response from Amy. Hopefully Bob and Sue can teach by gentle example that courtesy and etiquette are an integral part of interpersonal communications and just plain good business.
Posted @ Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:35 PM by Art
Bob and Sue should read "Crucial Conversations" and sort out a non-threatening way to share how they feel with Amy. When a single aspect of a person's personality doesn't match the rest (good employee, hard worker, trustworthy and loyal, but doesn't show the expected courtesies) they should assume that the anomaly is, well, an anomaly, with a reason, and find out what it is before they let it fester to the point they won't recover no matter what Amy does.
Posted @ Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:37 PM by Joel D Canfield
How often do you say "Thank you" for a "Thank you"? Thank you for doing a great job.-- Thank you for thanking me. -- Oh no,no no, thank you for thanking me for thanking you. - Get's a bit Chip 'N Dale cartoonish. The gifts, bonuses and other acknowledgements are (or should be) a Thank You for being exceptional or a part of her compensation for surpassing goals and expectations. From the article, Amy is not demanding or getting cranky when the extras don't happen. A lot of people are not comfortable having stories or public acknowledgement. It does not make them unappreciative it makes them private. (She did say it was nice - just no thanks.) Bob & Sue need to thank their lucky stars that they have a hard working, successful, trustworthy employee contributing to the growth and income of their business. If they wish to Thank her with bonuses - do it. If not - don't. They need to get over THEIR need for adoration before they run off a talented employee.
Posted @ Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:53 PM by Theresa B
Maybe they should increase her base pay to include the monthly bonuses they give her so they won't feel a thank you is necessary. It certainly sounds like she is worth it! Also, the extra pay they are giving her is THEIR thank you to her for a job well done. Her actual response should be "your welcome"!
Posted @ Tuesday, February 09, 2010 3:01 PM by Babette Tomberlain
My advice? Get over it. They aren't in business to get good feelings, but to make money. And the employee is really helping in that department. Why do they give money and praise? So they can be appreciated or because the employee really deserves it?  
 
Some people just aren't comfortable talking about or taking praise. Maybe she is just uncomfortable saying thank you. Its not a big deal.  
 
In a work environment, she is being rewarded for a job well done. Sounds like she really deserves the bonuses and adoration, so keep them up and keep her happy. Employees are the owners number one customer. Would they drop a customer that didn't say thanks?  
 
Now, if this manager doesn't show appreciation to the employees under her care, then that is a problem I would address. But it sounds like she is doing a great job.
Posted @ Tuesday, February 09, 2010 3:20 PM by Bradford Shimp
It sounds like a case of resentment about receiving charity, even though it may not be meant that way. The employee wants to be rewarded on her merits and not given what she hasn't earned. If she feels that pity is tied to the gifts, it may make her feel ashamed and adknowledging it with a thank you may make her feel exposed as needy. The owners may have more money and make it felt somehow and it may cause very deeply hidden resentments when all the employee wants to do is earn her way and be paid for the accomplishments she actually does. I would say tying all money to tasks and accomplishments and no more unspecified bonuses might clear up the relationship.
Posted @ Tuesday, February 09, 2010 3:25 PM by Marsha Donahue
WOW- the owners have got it all wrong. You are in business TO MAKE MONEY, not to get YOUR own feelings validated by an employee. Employees are INTERNAL CUSTOMERS. Would you give a customer a deal or gift and expect them to thank you for it? We should never "give" to "get". Some people just dont express themselves well in the area of appreciation. But you did not hire her to tell you thank you. You hired her to do a good job and she is doing it- you should continue to thank her in all ways possible and NOT expect anything in return other than for her to continue to take care of your business.
Posted @ Tuesday, February 09, 2010 3:41 PM by Karen Wimpy
I understand what they are saying and think this is a very interesting article. I often feel the same, but Babette has a point. It is always nice when someone says "thank you", but we're expecting a thank you for something we feel they have earned. Every year I take all my employees out for a Christmas Party and we have great prizes..etc. Normally I get 1 thank you, but I guess I am looking at it wrong. I am taking them out because I am the one saying "thank you" for all the hard work you've done.
Posted @ Tuesday, February 09, 2010 3:45 PM by Amy
Maybe Bob and Sue should tell Amy THANK YOU besides handing her a bonus. If they aren't happy with Amy, send her our way, we have plenty of businesses who could use someone who can turn around a business that successfully!
Posted @ Tuesday, February 09, 2010 3:51 PM by Robbie Grady
This is a little strange, owners needing recognition. Amy probably feels she has earned every penny and her dedication and hard work should be more than thanks enough. I would take 30 more just like Amy in a heart beat.
Posted @ Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:34 PM by Steve Chandler
Amy's behaviour seems very out of kilter with her apparent customer relations skills. I agree that the owners shouldn't expect a thank you per se, but if Amy is as good as they say she is in business, then why is she so anti-social towards her bosses? 
Its odd she has singled out her boss for such appalling anti-social treatment but not the staff she manages or the customers they all serve. 
Call me paranoid, but I'd be doing a stock take regularly, or spending a few days with her each month, and arriving unannounced. 
Something is not adding up with this scenario. 
Posted @ Tuesday, February 09, 2010 6:24 PM by Jocelyn
Hi, 
 
 
 
I hear their thoughts on Amy. Amy has some sort of issues. However, if they tire of Amy - send her my way - I'll deal with the issues and balance it with the avowedly awesome job done by Amy!
Posted @ Tuesday, February 09, 2010 7:36 PM by Keith Petersen
A wise friend of mine has taught me it is of no useful purpose to try and get inside someone"s head. What we conjecture may or may not be true and our conclusions get tangled up with our "feelings" My advise would be to stop blurring some of the relationship boundries, after all, this is a professional relationship, not a personal one.......however fond the feelings which do exist between them. Firstly, I wouldn't put the bonus or extra money in her pay "blindly". I would put it in her hand and tell her what it is for and explain they appreciate and value her effort. Her thank you ought to be forth coming. If not ,then it would be perfectly acceptable for the owners, in their role, to have a discussion about what seems to be her lack of outward appreciation. I would caution that the conversation should not be critical or about the owners feelings, but instead focus on what is acceptable and expected from her as a trusted and valued employee, which is who she is to them. We often forget what our roles are as employers and I think the genuine caring these owners have for this women has gotten in the way of understanding their correct role as employer, resulting in an over involvement and blurring of appropriate boundries.
Posted @ Tuesday, February 09, 2010 7:58 PM by Philip M. Barcellona
We used to mail out holiday gift baskets to our store managers. Did not get any thank yous last year. This year we did not mail out any holiday gift baskets.
Posted @ Tuesday, February 09, 2010 8:31 PM by scott
I read all the comments, after I read your article. My first response was "Where is there a problem?" I see no problem! If I had an employee such as Amy, I would treasure her assistance and her eagerness to turn a business around. The owners need no more than what she is doing. She deserves the extra bonuses and the owners should be strong enough not to expect a response. I once commented to a boss who criticized me for not getting over enthusiastic about my sales: If you want a cocker spaniel to wag it's tail and lick your face you should hire one to sell your cars! Which means we are all different in our responses. I for one will work my brains off just to help my employer to have a better business with me than without me. No frill, no drama just a working machine!! Where is there a fault in that?
Posted @ Wednesday, February 10, 2010 5:53 AM by Cindy Welch
deserves the extra bonuses 
 
I believe that was mentioned more than once in the comments. By definition, 'extra' and 'bonus' are above and beyond, not deserved and earned. Bob and Sue probably see these as 'above and beyond' and not just part of Amy's pay packet, and that's why they're expecting some response. (I also dispute the repeated claim that Bob and Sue's reason for being in business is to make money; if they genuinely care about what's up with Amy, I'll bet they're in business to pursue a passion, which also happens to provide income, but that's a different post.) 
 
As many have said, there might not be a problem with Amy, and maybe Bob and Sue should change their thinking. It's far beyond "just get over it" stage; they need to have a heart-to-heart with Amy, or this is not going to go away. Instead, it will continue to bother them until they drive Amy away (which, I agree, would be a real mistake.)
Posted @ Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:41 AM by Joel D Canfield, Chief Heretic
Our greastest fear/expectation is when we grow to the point that we have to hire someone to work in our store. With four owners this is not a need yet, but fast approaching. It would be our greatest desire to find an employee like Amy. I'm wondering if maybe Amy is hesitant to say anything for another reason; the other employees. She might not want to make anyone feel badly or left out. I agree too with the majority of the other posts that ask if Bob and Sue are looking for recognition of their "gifts" or really just want to thank Amy for a job well done.
Posted @ Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:44 AM by BetweenUsSisters
I've learned there is always another side to these kinds of issues. Amy may feel she HAS said thank you but it wasn't in the form the owners expect. I suspect she may feel like she should be getting the money anyway and it's more like the owners are throwing her a bone. Without seeing the compensation history it's tough to say for sure. If she's making them tens of thousands extra and they're giving her an occasional $100 bonus they are the ones with the issue. I'm with Marsha -- they should tie her comp package to results and give her a bonus comensurate with her value. That way they're showing they appreciate her work without trying to make her feel beholden. Set it up as a monthly goal if they want to space it out over the year. This way she can count on the income and figure it into her household budget.
Posted @ Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:33 AM by Kay Alger
Hello..! Amy is saying thank you every single day, by doing a better and better job for someone else's business. Amy may feel that saying anything about the extas may be like asking for more. Of course it would be gracious of her to say thank you out loud, but actions speak louder than words and she is saying it all the time. Are the owners giving the gift for her or really for themselves? If it is for her, just knowing that she needs it and that they can give it should be enough.
Posted @ Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:03 PM by Mickie Reed
Is being "thankful" in her job description? If not, then she is doing her job. Good employees are much harder to find than a "thank you". I have an employee that never says thank you for any bonuses, but I will trade that for a good worker that I can trust anyday. 
 
 
 
Could it be that she is embarrassed by the extras?
Posted @ Wednesday, February 10, 2010 2:01 PM by Sonia
This story sends chills up my spine. I had an employee like that. She worked hard and appeared committed to my business but never acknowledged any bonus or gift I gave her. Over time I found that her commitment was not as it appeared. If I were Bob and Sue I would be weary. Something does not add up.
Posted @ Wednesday, February 10, 2010 3:09 PM by Ronna Lugosch
I think that there is an obvious communication problem here. Bob and Sue are in various ways showing their appreciation of Amy's hard work from gifts, money, items for her family and they are not receiving any feedback from her so they don't know where they stand with her... I agree that giving these bonuses etc in person may give them an opportunity to see from her body language(is she jumping up and down after she opens the envelope or not), is she smiling or what. Checking her reaction and responding to it might lead them into a conversation about her great work. It doesn't sound like she will be the one to initiate the communication. On another note perhaps Amy excels in her job but her self-esteem has taken a beating perhaps due to being the sole parent and maybe she didn't recognize herself in the story...this may be deep but plausible...I say stay with her and provide her with the opportunity to be a part of your wonderful work family
Posted @ Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:58 PM by Cheryl Jordan
If Amy is getting bonus's all the time, my guess is she just expects them as part of the job payroll. Change things up or tie them to monthly sales goals so that they are earned bonus's. When you earn them it is OK not to say thank you. Just like you dont always say thank you when handed your paycheck. My guess is that Amy is looking at all her bonus in this way. 
 
I have found that once you give someone a bonus on a regular basis they expect it all the time in good times and bad, so be careful. 
 
AND seperate it out from her paycheck. Make it a seperate check.
Posted @ Thursday, February 11, 2010 10:09 AM by Pat Lorenzo
Bob and Sue sound needy and co-dependent. Amy probably resents it and want's to keep her personal distance from them. My advise to Bob and Sue to get a dog.
Posted @ Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:25 PM by Diane Kendall
Have they ever said thank you in person? A note saying thank you is nice but completely another to take some time out of your day to acknowledge Amy directly in person. Sue and Bob are shy to thank her directly and Amy is shy to thank them in a manner she feels the owners don't provide.
Posted @ Saturday, February 13, 2010 12:09 PM by Mark
There should have been annual employee reviews for performance and then separately for pay. During these discussion, her thoughts, likes, dislikes, pay, motivation concerns could have been brought up. Appearently the extra money was just randomly given in an envelope without any other conversation---not good
Posted @ Sunday, March 28, 2010 2:37 PM by john crawford
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